HEAVY MAKEUP: The film, Incubus is in my collection of rock horror films. When I watch the
Samson scene in the film I feel like I am in a dream sequence and transported
to an alternate realm of reality. I could
literally watch it every day. Can you tell me about your initial thoughts on
starring in a rock horror film? Were you excited? Did you have any concerns on
how you or the band would be portrayed? Any highlights that stand out?
Thunderstick:
Samson had nothing to do with the
inclusion of using part of our ‘Biceps of
Steel’ footage within ‘Incubus’ I
think that it had something to do with the label that we were signed to ‘Gem
Records’ placing it within the film.
However, the making of ‘Biceps’
was pretty crazy for me. I played the super strength roadie as myself then for close-ups of Thunderstick in his cage donned
the mask. The audience that we had in the film were not aware that I was
playing both the Roadie and Thunderstick. We had a stand-in (my brother in law at the time) to put the mask on and be
Thunderstick whilst both were in a shot
at the same time. It was all shot on
film rather than video, using five cameras.
HEAVY MAKEUP: As an early member of Iron Maiden, and
being in a band with Bruce Dickinson who appeared to have a very manic stage
presence, out of all the musicians you have worked with who in the business has
left the greatest impression on you?
Thunderstick:
THUNDERSTICK…
HEAVY MAKEUP: Have you ever had any mishaps or
Spinal Tap type experiences?
Thunderstick:
Oh Yes…The more that you put into a
stage show the more there is to go wrong until you become a well-oiled machine
like Maiden, doing the same each night.
Samson would regularly have ‘tapisms’ we were using a large amount of ‘pyros’ each
gig, nothing like Rammstein but still quite a large amount. On one occasion our
roadie/pyromaniac decided it would be good to pull apart the explosives and put
a trail of gunpowder right across the front of the stage for the ‘first chord’
of our set detonation. So we go into the
first song…and BANG… a six-foot high
sheet of fire roars itself across the stage taking the front row of the
audience completely by surprise, removing their eyebrows as it goes. We the
band, are left temporarily blinded for almost the whole of the first song
unable to see the tiny bits of molten shrapnel cascading down on top of both
band and audience, stinging as they land on bare flesh…After the gig my drum tech pointed out that my cymbals
were completely covered in small particles of metal that had actually welded
themselves to their surface. It’s only rock’n’roll but I like it….
HEAVY MAKEUP:
The film Biceps of Steel, is a
musical parody of the band’s namesake, Samson and a retelling of the Biblical
Samson and Delilah. The epic tale follows the hero Samson as he is portrayed to
be a heavy metal roadie. You were actually the actor portraying Samson, and
your brother-in-law portrayed the role of
you and wore your mask. Who made the decision for you to switch places with
your brother-in-law for that role? Also, the story and film was a brilliant
concept. Who came up with it?
Thunderstick:
As soon as the film company decided to
use me as the roadie I came up with the idea of having a stand-in THUNDERSTICK when we were both in the shot. As
already explained in question 8 my (then) brother-in-law at the time stood in
for me and he would much later become my bass player in THUNDERSTICK. The idea
of the ‘Samson & Delilah’ storyboard was presented by the film company,
then we (the band) added any additional ideas of our own to it.
HEAVY MAKEUP: Your self-titled band, Thunderstick
had three different female singers, which appeared to have punk and pop
elements. How would you describe the differing musical style of Thunderstick
compared to Samson? What was it like working with female singers?
Thunderstick:
The concept of using a female vocalist
to front a metal/rock band was comparatively new at that time (the 80s).
There were all female bands such as Rock Goddess and Girlschool, but not
females fronting a testosterone-fueled male bunch of hard rockers. I wanted to change that. The punk and pop influences came about really
because as already stated my tastes in music are quite eclectic and I wanted to
bring a little more ‘coloration’ to my
compositions. Also, I have always
regarded myself as first and foremost a musician more than just a drummer. I
wanted to embrace my influences by putting them into my songwriting. Although
Samson had variation its music there was always a formula and we wouldn’t stray
too far from the ‘safe’ musical path. Unfortunately for me though the listeners
that ‘got it’ fully understood my reasoning and fully supported it but they
were however in the minority. So the ones that never understood the thinking
behind it missed it…By Miles! That was
the gamble I took.
HEAVY MAKEUP: You had said in past interviews that
you based your masked persona on your love of horror, in particular, Hammer House films. I am a huge
Hammer fan. My favorite film is The Devil Rides Out, and I would love to know,
what is your favorite film from Hammer studios?
Thunderstick:
I would have to agree with you on that
one ‘The Devil Rides Out’…so much so that at one time I wanted to call our
daughter Tanith...Have you noticed that Iron Maiden now use the exact replica
of the Goat of Mendes in their stage show. Do you think that they had to buy
the copyright for it?
HEAVY MAKEUP: Very interesting!
Thunderstick:
On another point, I once took Ingrid Pitt
(Vampire Lovers,
Countess Dracula, Where Eagles Dare) to lunch...!
HEAVY MAKEUP: Very cool! Wish I could have been a
dinner guest with you two great horror icons. You have one of the most truly
unique theatrical images in heavy metal music. You clearly stood out then and
you continue to be recognizable today and your image has never been out of
date. You wore leather, face paint, and performed inside a metal cage. In particular, you are known for wearing sinister
masks. Do you still have your original masks? How do you display or store your masks?
Thunderstick:
I am quite unceremonious about the
masks, they are stored in a stage clothes box that is in the loft at my house.
The only time my main one makes an appearance is when I metamorphosis into
‘him’. As far as the other masks are concerned, yes I still have most of them…including
the original one that I wore throughout my time with SAMSON.
HEAVY MAKEUP: You are one of rock’s radical musical
innovators who incorporated your own distinctive persona and talent for
incredible drum patterns into your stage performance. When you are writing your
music, where does your inspiration come from?
Thunderstick:
I think that we have covered this
question really already, but thank you for the praise. The inspiration for a
particular song will, like so many other songwriters, come from anywhere and
also when you least expect it. It is
great that smartphones now all have
facilities that enable recording of the ideas as and when they come. I have
been known to get up in the middle of the night and start singing at my phone and then go back to bed.
HEAVY MAKEUP: You are known for your huge drum sets
have you kept them all?
Thunderstick:
Yes! The main one being the Pearl Chrome
kit circa 1980 as used on the latest album ‘Something
Wicked This Way Comes’.
HEAVY MAKEUP: You were the face of the New Wave of
British Heavy Metal ’79 Revisited. A compilation compiled by Metallica drummer, Lars Ulrich and Music Journalist,
Geoff Barton. Samson had tracks on the album alongside Angel Witch, Venom and
Diamondhead. How does it feel to be the face of a nationwide musical movement?
Did you think Samson’s music was a good fit for this compilation?
Thunderstick:
I was quite disappointed that the
compilers of that particular album found it necessary to cover up the main
picture of THUNDERSTICK on the front cover by placing pictures of the other
bands over it. Apparently, it was deemed
to be too contentious and could somehow limit the
amount of mainline shops that would be prepared to stock it. Pathetic,
If that were to still be adhered to there would be no ‘Slipknot’. Lars Ulrich
did say that I was an early influence which was a great compliment. Did you
know that Metallica once supported THUNDERSTICK at a KERRANG party? Where did I go wrong???!!! LOL
HEAVY MAKEUP: Your face should have been on the only
image on the cover and should have extended to the back cover also. Whoa! I did
not know that, very cool. You have had an extensive background in music. What
else do you do outside of music? Is there anything that would surprise fans? Do
you have any upcoming projects?
Thunderstick:
Upcoming projects really are still music based as I am concentrating on trying
to promote the new album. Outside of music…Cycling…I have recently had a knee
operation and am slowly building up my stamina but before I had it done I was
cycling around 150 miles a week. I do
have a couple of new projects on the go at the moment and more will be revealed
next year!
Thanks
for all of the cool questions and of course your support…
Luv,
B THUNDERSTICK.
HEAVY MAKEUP: Thank you Thunderstick for being an
inspiration and entertaining us all! Much love and good luck with the new album
and your knee.
Thunderstick
keeps busy with various projects. He not only is a great musician but he also
is a sound engineer/producer for other musicians and has been a club promoter.
He continues to write music and perform. Thunderstick’s new album, Something Wicked This Way Comes was
released August 2017. Thunderstick has laid down the foundation for future mask
bearing metal musicians as exampled by such bands as Slipknot and Gwar. Very few artists have been successful at
creating their own unique rock image as a brand and became an icon due to it.
However, Barry Graham Purkis pulled it off. He is a master visionary whose
talent, focus and ambition are more than inspiring.
Thunderstick
Band Line-Ups
1981-82: Vinnie Munro (vocals), Neil Hay (guitar), Colin Heart
(guitar), Ben K. Reeve (bass), Thunderstick (drums).
1982-83: Ana Marie Carmella Borg (vocals), Wango Wiggins (Neil Hay's
new stage name, guitar), Cris Martin (guitar), Ben K. Reeve (bass), Thunderstick
(drums).
1983-84: Jodee Valentine (vocals), Wango Wiggins (guitar),
Christopher Martin (guitar), Ben K. Reeve (bass), Thunderstick (drums), Ana
Marie Carmella Borg (vocals for the 1983 EP were provided by Ana but the cover
featured a photo of Jodee Valentine who had by then replaced her and was
touring with the band).
1984-86: Jodee Valentine (vocals), Wango Wiggins (guitar), Bengt Sorenssen (guitar), Ben K. Reeve (bass),
Thunderstick (drums).
1987-88: Jodee Valentine (vocals), Dave Kilford (guitar), John
Slight (bass), Thunderstick (drums).
2017
Studio Line-Up: Lucie V (vocals), Martin Shellard
(guitar), Dave Kilford (guitar), Rex Thunderbolt (bass), Thunderstick (drums)
Discography:
Studio albums with Samson:
·
Survivors (1979)
·
Head On (1980)
·
Shock
Tactics (1981)
·
Head
Tactics (1986)
·
Past
Present & Future (1999)
·
The Early
Singles (2011)
Studio albums with Thunderstick:
·
Feel like
Rock 'n' Roll? (1983)
·
Beauty and
the Beasts (1984)
·
A Bolt
from the Black (1984)
·
Don't
Touch, I'll Scream (1985)
·
Just'In
Power (1987)
·
Best of
British Metal (1999)
·
Echoes
from the Analogue Asylum (2011)
·
Something Wicked This Way Comes (2017)
Thunderstick Filmograhy:
·
Biceps
of Steel (1980)
·
Incubus (1981)
·
Thunder,
Thunder (1985).
·
The
History of Iron Maiden – Part 1: The Early Days (2004)
·
Iron
Maiden and the New Wave of British Heavy Metal (2008)
Thunderstick Official Website:
Something Wicked This Way Comes… Album Cover